Getting some concern for the future in the USA

"Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD" (300korbust) 02/23/2016 at 12:09 • Filed to: None

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First off, this gorgeous 6-series for your time.

Anyway, I’m concerned about the future of us car enthusiasts. With the EPA lobbying to basically shut down the racing car market, I feel like we are definitely going to not be able to enjoy cars anymore. Also, lobbying here and there, the TPP, all of this bullshit going on is just making me feel small. Am I just worrying way too much? I feel like going to Canada is the best option we as car enthusiasts have. Besides, very little import laws up there (R34 Skyline!). Should I stop worrying? At this point, I just don’t know what to do.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:13

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if the EPA changing laws about car mods is whats making you consider leaving America, well...you aren’t paying attention to politics

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:16

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Canada isn’t the haven you think it is. We basically can’t get kit cars, and safety inspection are way more stringent.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 02/23/2016 at 12:16

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Amen to that brother...

Wacko > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:19

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canada is not the answer you are looking for, since our auto regulations follow the american regulations very closely.

If it changes in the USA, it’s bound to change in canada too.

we are too small of a market to actually really be different. sure our import laws is 15 instead of 25 but other than that pretty much is the same.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Wacko 02/23/2016 at 12:19

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Aw, really? Well, nevermind on that one.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 02/23/2016 at 12:20

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I guess never mind then.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 02/23/2016 at 12:20

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We can get kit cars and make Locosts in BC.

Moves-Like-Senna > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 02/23/2016 at 12:20

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Also in some provinces like Quebec there are regulations banning RHD vehicles, now lowering past a certain point (even while visiting you will be pulled over and towed home at your expense) etc.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 02/23/2016 at 12:21

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Oh, that’s the little tiny part of why I want to leave. You are definitely right with all the messed up garbage that is happening in politics. I wouldn’t be surprised if USA becomes a dictatorship in the near future.

Wacko > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:24

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I see the canadian auto market, like a testing ground for the american market. we get/got a few cars you can’t get, but you guys also get cars we don’t.

For Sweden > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 02/23/2016 at 12:24

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Why not racecar?

Because it’s 2015

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:27

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Not to say that you’re worrying too much, but have you seen the car ownership environment and policies in the rest of the world? Stuff like Asia where most countries tax cars by displacement ... my wife’s car in Korea was a 1.3L I4, here she has a 3.6L V6. And places like Singapore basically tax cars out of existence. And other places beat cars to death, basically.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire 02/23/2016 at 12:38

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Well, that doesn’t sound that great now.

wiffleballtony > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:48

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The real problem is autonomous cars.

Brian, The Life of > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:50

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Electric cars can be tuned, too. Time and change go hand-in-hand. The future of Hoonmanity is bright!

MUSASHI66 > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 12:52

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Dude, you have no idea just how good you have it here.

Displacement - heavily taxed in most of the world. Did you ever wonder why so many engines are made to be 2 liters (well, 1998 cc to be under 2000 cc tax laws) ? See - pretty much the whole world

Inspections - some states do it, but most care only about emissions. In many parts of the world, inspections are a nightmare. Look into Japan for example.

Taxes - ours are so low it is not even funny. Look into car prices in Singapore, Brasil, Denmark, China - taxes are so high you could buy 3 cars in the USA for the price of one is those countries.

Selection - yes, there are some awesome cars we don’t get here. Yes, there are stupid import law limitations and 25 year or older law - I will give you that, and that is the worst of it.

But, here in states, we get a 7 liter Camaro Z/28 for the price of a Jetta in Denmark (if even). You can buy a V8 Mustang GT for about 30k. Your average commuter car is a Camry with a 2.4L 170-180hp, while most of the world gets a VW Lupo with a 1l diesel and 70hp or something awful like that. Average Joe can have a 400hp car without too much trouble.

You get gas for $1.50 a gallon, while most of the world pays about that for a liter (so, some 4 times more expensive).

You simply have no idea how lucky you are to live here.

spanfucker retire bitch > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 02/23/2016 at 12:53

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And technically speaking, the EPA isn’t changing anything. Those laws about “unlawful modification” are already on the book and have been for years. They just aren’t enforced.

Look’em up.

ly2v8-Brian > MUSASHI66 02/23/2016 at 12:58

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Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Brian, The Life of 02/23/2016 at 13:00

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YAY! Never thought of that.

JustAnotherG6 > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 13:01

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The way I read it, the EPA is just looking to make sure the racing parts also meet their stringent requirements not necessarily to ban them. Considering they expect the Auto Manufacturers to test their own cars, report their findings AND be honest about it since they don’t have the manpower to do it themselves, do you really think they are going to be testing all the aftermarket configurations for the same?

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > JustAnotherG6 02/23/2016 at 13:07

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So, all the propaganda that car magazines, youtubers, and random articles here and there are just being overdramatic and idiotic about it? And I’m listening to them?!?!

Svend > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 13:11

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We have stringent inspections but kit cars are allowed and modifications are allowed within reason. Also no 25 year wait for cars and we sort of share the same language. :)

Svend > Moves-Like-Senna 02/23/2016 at 13:13

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Regulations banning RHD cars?

Moves-Like-Senna > Svend 02/23/2016 at 13:16

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http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/road_safety…

Oddly enough I ordered 3 RHD vehicles (seperately) last year to Vancouver haha. I had to sell them as I needed the cash but I have family in many other provinces to register vehicles under.

RX > MUSASHI66 02/23/2016 at 13:18

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Selection isn’t even as bad as people make it out to be. For every car we view as forbidden fruit in America, we have 5 awesome cars that some other part of the world cant get.

RX > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 13:21

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Price of a used Lotus Elise in USA $30k.

Price of a used Lotus Elise in Canada $60k.

I’m sure there are other examples, I’m just overly obsessed about that car.

Svend > Moves-Like-Senna 02/23/2016 at 13:25

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Was there really such an issue with RHD car safety, etc... in Quebec for them to bring that legislation in?

Moves-Like-Senna > Svend 02/23/2016 at 13:30

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No just a way to limit enthusiasts. Same with certain suspension/performance mod restrictions etc. It’s Quebec, don’t ever live here.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Wacko 02/23/2016 at 13:42

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I’m curious - which cars as the US had which Canada hasn’t?

JustAnotherG6 > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 13:45

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If you are asking if bias exists, I would say yes. If you are asking if I think they are wrong, I would say not necessarily. I feel most legislation is overreaching and unenforceable therefore it will be reduced to just words on paper with not bite whatsoever.

Svend > Moves-Like-Senna 02/23/2016 at 13:48

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What a bunch of dicks.

There is no chance of me ever living in Quebec. No offence.

The other provinces I think are fair game I think. Though to be honest I’m considering Gibraltar, Oz or BVI (English speaking near the sea) if I was to move abroad.

Wacko > BaconSandwich is tasty. 02/23/2016 at 14:17

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off the top of my head the Chevy SS. ps it’s only been a few years since scions are available in canada. One local toyota dealer just became an official scion dealer just 2 months before the announcement of killing off scion. Their ads on the radio still say now also scion dealer..

and you guys didn’t get the orlando, the nissan micra, the mazda 2 I believe.

MUSASHI66 > RX 02/23/2016 at 14:17

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Agreed. It used to be more pronounced, but there has been a rebirth of affordable performance in the USA, from small hatchbacks like Abarth 500 and Ford Fiesta, slightly larger ones like FoST or FoRS, Golf R, to awesome Mustangs and Camaros etc. There is barely anything made anywhere else where we don’t get a comparable car in one shape or another. Super cheap small pickups maybe? Capable off-road vehicles in stripper trim other than a Wrangler? Those are about the only ones we are missing

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD 02/23/2016 at 14:49

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New Zealand is a way better for enthusiasts if MCM is anything to go by.

Iheartmy365kHonda - Car enthusiasts do like FWD > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 02/23/2016 at 15:45

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Oppo trip and move to New Zealand then!